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Obama and McCain to appear togethr at Saddleback Church

Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/us/politics/21church.html?ref=politics

It has taken a man of God, perhaps, to do what nobody else has been able to do since the general election season began: Get Barack Obama and John McCain together on the same stage before their party conventions later this summer.

 

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  • I do hafta admit that this is pretty cool.  :)

     

     
  • So how do I get invited to this :)

     
    • Jack

    • Mon, Jul 21 2008
    • 3:34 PM

    I'm not sure I share the excitement over this type of forum, especially since Rick has already determined he would not ask any "gotcha" questions -- which can be translated loosely, "tough" questions.  I think there is a potential for the "church" (at large, not Saddleback) to only be used as a means to gain political power.

    Without "tough questions," the potential exists that the true values of each candidate may not be clear.  It also sends the message that both men share the values of the conservative church at large.  It implies for instance, that Obama's pro-abortion stance (including the brutal, ghoulish practice of partial-birth abortion) is as morally defensible as McCain's pro-life position. 

    I'm just not sure that this use of a church's platform in the public arena (with no tough issue questions) sends the right message.

    I'll keep an open mind and see how this turns out.  But, something just doesn't set right with me about this at this time. 

     
  • I think it's great - Let them say what they want to say.  In the context of a church they'll both say things in ways that may be very revealing.  You'll know what's important to them by what they choose to bring up and you'll know what they're afraid to talk about by what they avoid bringing up.

     
  • I read Rick's email re: this event. Perhaps someone from Saddleback would post it here, if that would be appropriate. Wink

    Basically, Rick talks about "the story behind the story." He also mentions the $2 million they need in the next 30 days to update their 15 year-old video equipment (to provide the video feed for the networks), which he says they've needed to do anyway. Yikes. They also have to figure out how to figure out who gets to attend -- 6,000 seats, 100,000 people in their database (not to mention VIPs).

    It's a great opportunity for Saddleback and with Rick Warren asking all of the questions, it could actually be a productive political discussion!

    In the email, Rick writes ...

    Most debate, town hall, and media questions tend to be about hot political issues, or attempts to play "gotcha" for partisan points.  In contrast, I intend to ask questions about factors that have historically determined presidential effectiveness. I'll ask about their understanding of the constitution, personal leadership convictions and style, philosophy of the role of government, America's role in the world, competence and character issues. They certainly won't be softball questions.

    I'm looking forward to it. And I've never said that about any event during this never-ending campaign!

     
  • Rick is and has been an amazing leader and God sure isn't done using him in some surprising ways.  It is fun to watch from the sidelines.  I am looking forward to the event and can't wait to hear how it all rolls out.

     
    • Waldo

    • Wed, Jul 23 2008
    • 4:47 PM

     Hopefully, they will do a live video feed.  I think that would be helpful and innovative.

     
  • It will be televised. The candidates wanted "all the networks and national media to be allowed to use a live video feed from Saddleback," according to the email.

    Interestingly, also wanted Rick to be the only questioner. Smile

     
  • Amazing! I hope this event is given the coverage that it deserves. Here's something I would like to ask: So much attention is focused on human rights issues in China, what about the largest democary in the world, India, where people are persecuted for their faith?

     
  • Everyone can watch live from www.saddlebackcivilforum.com.

     
  • It just struck me that this event *may* help me decide what I'm doing with my vote on election day. A forum that's focused largely on leadership is just what I need, I think.

     
    • Jack

    • Fri, Jul 25 2008
    • 5:48 PM

     Randy,

    If it is about "leadership" then there is no need for a forum.  Only one of the two major candidates has ever led anything.  I think too many peopel discount McCain's military experience because so many Busters and later have no concept of what it means to be an officer in the U.S. Military.

    Being an officer in the military is all about "leadership" and leadership sometime under very hostile conditions.  McCain.

    Now, if one equates leadership with "charisma," as many people do (especially religious people). then that's another story.  As a veteran and one who's life was saved by the courageous and immediate leadership of the Captain of my ship, I have great confidence in McCain's leadership training, style and most importantly courage.

    McCain is known as a "mavrick" and I like that quality.  A true leader I think needs a "mavrick" quality.  A seasoned leader is someone with a track record.  Again, in my very humble opinion, I think that issue is settled.  I don't see how a "forum" can demonstrate a person's ability to lead.  Anybody can talk about leadership.  In these volatile days -- and let's remember we are at war -- I think you are right that "leadership" is a very key element in this next election.

     
  • I think this is great!  My thanks go out to Rick and Saddleback for being willing to bring the two candidates together.  It should prove both infomrative to the public.  I know, even though we're small, many in my church are looking forward to hearing this.  I'm looking to perhaps see if we can feed here locally (PA).

    Jerry

     
  •  I am actually quite disturbed to see people so excited to see this taking place.  You don't learn about these people by listening to them on a campaign stop.  You learn about them by looking into their voting and stance records from the past.  That shows the true nature and values of a candidate.  The campaign trail is an opportunity to impress people by personality and cast a shadow over the facts of their records.

    Barak Obama's voting record is so heinous when it comes to issues that concern Christian values that I don't know how anyone who claims to be a Christian could justify a vote for him.  Our commitment to our country needs to be more grounded in our Christian values and beliefs instead of the charisma of a candidate that stands for so much that is contrary to basic Christian principles.  Without asking the "tough questions" that have been mentioned in previous posts, this will be nothing more than an opportunity for someone who is blatantly against the direction of the Bible to make a public appeal for himself.  If he is going to be there, he should have to answer those tough questions, like how he can justify voting against a ban on partial birth abortion, supporting abortion on demand (even without parental notification), and how he can justify defending and supporting the homosexual agenda.  Ask both candidates these questions, and see whose answers more closely match those that Jesus would give.  Speaking kindly does not altar the content of the answer.

     
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